Laverna Reviews

More private than Evernote, but still needs a little work.

about Laverna and TagSpaces, Cryptomator, Evernote · · 1 Helpful

Laverna aims to be an open-source, encrypted alternative to Evernote. Open source makes it more trustworthy than Evernote, because anyone can inspect the code.

Encryption makes it more private than Evernote. Evernote are a US-based company whose privacy policy recently caused a lot of controversy because they planned (then backtracked) on letting their employees read customers' data. Nothing prevents them from deciding to try that again in the future. Evernote might be functional, but they store your data unencrypted, which means that:

a) if hackers breach Evernote's servers (has happened before), all your personal data is out there in some hackers hands
b) three letter agencies (NSA, FBI, etc.) are allowed legally to demand that Evernote hands your data over to them, and the law says Evernote might be prevented even from telling you that this has happened.
c) you should ask yourself: even if none of the above happens, where will copies of my data be in 20 years time? In whose hands? On whose servers? What will the law be then? Will you want whoever will be then in power/controlling Evernote's servers to have access to all your receipts, notes, captured webpages, boarding cards and whatever else you put into Evernote?

Using encryption, as Laverna does, gets around problems like these. Even if hackers steal your data, the fact it's encrypted means they can't read it. Same for three letter agencies (if the encryption is done well, like via AES-256) and whoever might get your hands on the data in years to come.

So the question is now about Laverna's functionality. You can test Laverna online, here.

Good Stuff
- Laverna is cross-platform (Mac, Windows and Linux). Evernote doesn't even work on/support Linux
- Laverna has excellent basic note-taking (you can use markdown, a Wisiwyg-type editor, and include pictures)
- Laverna has excellent searching built in.
- Laverna encrypts your data by default (see points above)

Why it's not quite there yet
- Sync is not well worked out. Ideally, to challenge Evernote, you'd want to be able to sync your encrypted data using the service of your choice. Laverna claims to connect to Dropbox, but that's only one service and there have been many complaints it doesn't work well. Ideally, the developers would store the info Laverna uses in an encrypted file/folder which can be synced using the service of anyone's choice.
- Pictures can be included in your notes, but not resized. Very annoying.
- No Android app (it's promised to come soon; iOS is available)
- App does not support some of Evernote's more sophisticated features, such as scanning.

Alternatives?
If you want an Evernote alternative for the following functions but mobile isn't important to you, consider TagSpaces:
- Mac, Windows, Linux
- Search/tagging
- open source
- Local (Sync optional)
- Encryption optional (with Cryptomator - works great)

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Are you serious

about Laverna · · -2 Helpful

I can't believe this comes in second position for one note alternative. You can't even paste pictures or latex code in this like onenote or zim. Plus this is online, you have to be always connected. How is this even on the top of the list. There MANY many other programs which will do far more than what this is doing now.

You can paste pictures (you can't resize them, unless you do it in html). Zim doesn't work natively on Mac. Which other programs did you consider to be better? Are they open source? Are they encrypted by default?

It's really borderline dishonest from the developer to claim you can paste pictures when you can't. I just redownloaded and re-installed the latest version and tried to paste a simple image with no success. SO NO .... LAVERNA DOES NOT ALLOW PASTING PICTURES. The best you can do is link pictures, which means I have to save the copied image to a file. Then look for it on my hard drive and link to it. So please some honesty.

I have windows so I do not care if Zim is not native on Mac OS. I do not need encryption, I'm not taking top secret CIA notes. I just need a simple note taking app where I can keep my notes, ideas, images, screenshots, etc etc, without the need for a connection, or encryption, and without the need to open 10 menus to put a simple screenshot I just took or image I just copied online. From time to time I need to enter special characters or tables. And to be honest so far Zim is the only app that allows me to do all that SEAMLESSLY. I do not even need to save my work. Not to mention the project panel where I can setup a hierarchy for my notes if I need to and the WYCIWYG approach. In Laverna I have the same content doubled on the screen!!!!! Which is quite smart.

Zim is so far the only one

> It's really borderline dishonest from the developer to claim you can paste pictures when you can't.

Where does the developer claim this?

> Which other programs did you consider to be better?

No answer.

> I do not need encryption, I'm not taking top secret CIA notes.

You might not need encryption for your notes, but for folks who sync their notes online, it's the only way of preventing their private information getting into others' hands. Similar to why this website uses https, so that traffic between you and the website can't be read by anyone else.

> No answer.

You probably didn't read my reply. I repeatedly said that, for my needs, Zim is far superior to laverna, I can even insert latex code in there.

> folks who sync their notes online, [encryption] is the only way of preventing their private information getting into others' hands.

focusing on encryption in a software where other much simpler functions are still not implemented, is like focusing on making a car fly when it doesn't have an engine yet

and ... it's really borderline dishonest when YOU claim you can paste pictures when pasting pictures is clearly not possible.

As I explained, pictures can be included in Lavera notes, even if it's not strictly "pasted". That was an innaccuracy on my part. Presenting this as "borderline dishonesty" from i) the app developer (who never made the claim), and then ii) me (see above) is neither true nor helpful.

As this is is a forum for finding alternatives to existing apps, I return to your comment above. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to elaborate this time, for the benefit of the community:

There MANY many other programs which will do far more than what this is doing now.

Please name some of these MANY apps.

I've already mentioned one, Zim, at least two times, but you refuse to take it as an alternative. So let me repeat what I said: for my use zim is the best free quick note taking software. A few features are missing, but it's by far better than any other .md software I tried, and I did try many.

Then there is this list that I have compiled for good and average Markdown compatible software (not necessarily my number one choices, Zim is my number one). I spent days searching for the best ones. alternativeto.net didn't really help in this. Here are some entries on my list (since you challenged me) :
- Marxico (which I believe I was the one who entered it on alternativeto.net)
- Madoco
- Typora
- Abricotine
- Haroopad

I still have a few more on my top list, but that'll do for now.

I did not "refuse to take [Zim] as an alternative", nor did I "challenge" you. You challenged yourself by saying - absolutely unprompted, right in your opening comment - that there are "MANY alternatives". No one forced you to say that. Finally, you've listed a handful. Thank you.


Marxico (which I believe I was the one who entered it on alternativeto.net)

It doesn't look like you did add Marxico to alternativeto. Unless your previous username was ettouhami. Under the username mustno3 it says you've added 0 apps, as of 8th January 2017.

Yup ettouhami was also my account. I will try to find my login there and post a new one from there.

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Laverna - best note web app

about Laverna · ·

Laverna is simple and fast to use. It's a note tool built in JavaScript to run locally in any browser.

The notes data are saved in local browser "storage". But if you want to store in the cloud to use anywhere there are integrations with Dropbox and "RemoteStorage".

RemoteStorage is a simple solution to host and sync the user data beetween the browser and the cloud. I am using the p5apps provider to keep my Laverna notes. You can have your own storage for free (still Beta) in less than 1 minute.

Laverna has no support for tables and font selection, but it supports images and task lists (todo lists).

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